When I upload the midi file it is filed under your song according to my Your Page, but I don’t see it on the project page. It’s probably not meant to be filed under your song anyway. What’s the best way to proceed?

I have figured it out. Let me know what you think and what other contributions from me you are looking for.

*Gong sounds*

And there they are.

And I was thinking I was going mad, because I had the distinct impression that I had unpublished the midi file, because that is the default setting when uploading from the project page. Sorry for that.

I have got an e-mail too. I have been adding and removing files, because they ended up as samples used in your songs in stead of independent samples for the project in general. My apologies if I am the cause of the e-mails sent.

What’s the best way to proceed if I want to upload a song idea plus some additional files to the project, especially when I haven’t used any samples from ccMixter?

What you should do is upload the sample using the box directly beneath all the other samples. Don’t worry if it shows up as a sample used in the demo song. The system is designed to do that. I can always remove it from the attribution list manually.

Sorry about the delay in responding, I was Internetless for little while. As far as my instrumental skills, I’m more of a bassist than a guitarist, but I can follow a midi file if it’s just simple lead lines, or standard chord progressions. The Achilles heel for me is my lack of a decent home-recording set-up for bass, and with the concern for decent sound that you undoubtedly have, I’m not sure anything I could record would be usable, unless you specifically wanted the sound of a Jazz fretless turned to squashed mud (just listen to http://ccmixter.org/media/f... and you’ll understand what I mean). If you wanted guitar, I could try, but I’m sure others could do better. Not putting myself down, just trying to be realistic- if you think I could help, by all means, let me know.

duckett, that is a fine bassline and you’re doing great. The only problem is that I had to do some EQing to keep the bassier frequencies from conflicting with the kick — not a big deal, but I wanted to explain why my version of the loop will sound a little different when I upload it. ;)

Good recording quality is not necessarily what I’m looking for here. You’ve probably noticed that I’ve been adding crackly vinyl effects to the demos I’ve been uploading. That’s because I want a kind of ‘analog versus digital’ sound to these. So a little noise in the signal is not going to kill me or the mix.

feel free to use the internal project’s thread for inner-project disucssion ;)

(mix sounds great btw)

Oops. Sorry about that.

Krod, I’m not part of this project, but just joined cc mixter and am having my own issues with rpm but would love to help out if I could. You mentioned bass tracks a couple of weeks ago, is this still a need? I can do upright or electric, depending on the need, if there is one.

You’re part of the project now, (assuming you want to) there is a need and thank you for your contribution.

These are all the bass MIDI files that I’ve uploaded so far. An upright bass would probably work best for the ones labeled Song 1, while an electric would go well with the ones labeled Song 2, I think.

You can hear what the original (synthesized) bass sounds are like on the project page, either mixed in the two demos or separated in the sample packs.

YTou mentioned hearing things in the demo, but I don’t see demos for song 1 and 2. I was also curious, you mentioned acoustic for 1 and electric for 2. The bass I hear on the synth is pretty hefty on the synth, is that just what you had? Ie. do you want clean bass tracks to modify or synthy but real bass? I do have a synth-wah pedal. I’ll try to hook up and record the parts quickly tomorrow. Will I need to be added as a collaborator to upload? Also, are there any other odd needs?

Quote: shimodaYTou mentioned hearing things in the demo, but I don’t see demos for song 1 and 2.

Song 1 = “ …Falling And Flying…”

Song 2 = “ When I Close My Eyes”

Quote: shimodaI was also curious, you mentioned acoustic for 1 and electric for 2. The bass I hear on the synth is pretty hefty on the synth, is that just what you had? Ie. do you want clean bass tracks to modify or synthy but real bass?

Clean is fine. I can always process it in the production phase.

Quote: shimodaWill I need to be added as a collaborator to upload? Also, are there any other odd needs?

Yes, I need to add you to the project in order for you to upload. Unfortunately, I am having some difficulty doing this. This may be a result of you not having uploaded anything. Try putting up one of the parts under your own name and I’ll see if adding you works then.

I uploaded some files for when I close my eyes. Probably will need to redo, but thought I’d see what you thought. I added an arco(bowed) idea as well, these are on the upright but I can drop some electric lines too.)

Yeah, I can work with the verse bass but the chorus is all over the place.

Quote: DJ RkodYeah, I can work with the verse bass but the chorus is all over the place.Sorry about that. I had just listened to the demo and not yet looked into the separate files. Played the verse by ear. I can redo it too or do it on electric if you want or need. I’ll get up Falling tomorrow. Also, depending on what you have lyrics for, and what vocal quality (stylistically) you’re looking for, my lovely wife might be able to swing the vocals for something. Let me know if you want redos of the bass verse for when i close. I’ll get the chorus where you want it.

Quote: DJ RkodVictor, would it be too much to ask for you to give us a link on the front page? Narva9 has a chest cold and can’t sing (!) and we have about nine days left to find a new vocalist.

Can I suggest you become members of the Sellaband forums, and post a message to any of the vocalists on there? www.sellaband.com .
There’s LOTS of talented singers there who I`m sure would love to be involved. I’ll see if my wife can do something too but she’s pretty busy atm.
The artists on SAB have gotten together before to do recordings and gigs, so this may happen in time if you post there quickly…. do it on the ‘about the music’ page, and I`ll make sure lot’s of people reply to keep the topic up.

I am very wary around Sellaband.

Quote: DJ RkodI am very wary around Sellaband.

Why’s that?

Quote: G_StormWhy’s that?

I feel the site is incompatible with the ideas and ideals of the Creative Commons.

Well to be fair it’s not about CC there is it? It’s a record label controlled by the fans.

Here’s my interpretation of it (I’m not a lawyer, nor do I play one on TV): It’s financed by the fans and then Sellaband gets the exclusive right to publishing (that is the song writing rights). It does share the proceeds of such publishing with the song writer(s) and producer(s), but Sellaband has exclusive control over the licensing of the fan financed songs. i.e. the songwriter has to license the song from Sellaband if they want to sell recordings of it or re-record it some day. According to my intepretation of the publishing contract, only Sellaband (and NOT the song writer) can license the use of the songs in remakes, remixes and other derived works; one may be able to walk from the recording part of the Sellaband deal, but not from the publishing (song writing copyrights) part of the deal.

I didn’t find any evidence that the fans see a penny from publishing or that they are even told about the presence of a publishing deal or its commercial implications. I do wonder, if the publishing deal is buried deep in the website quite deliberately (would you find the link easily, if not being told about it?). Why is such a commercially significant part of the deal as the publishing not mentioned on the How it works page?

But maybe I shouldn’t be surprised given the
background of two of the founders with a large company with a history of hiding stuff.

Everyone knows about the publishing side of things, believe me. It’s been discussed on the forum many times. It’s also in writing on the T&C page which is linked from the ‘how it works’ page… so it’s not hidden (but I understand your point, maybe it should also be on the ‘how it works’ page too).

Personally I think that the investors should share 5% of the publishing, but that’s really up to Sellaband. Maybe they will do that one day. They have alot of costs to cover (bandwidth, staff, promotion, premises etc).

In the meantime investors still get revenue from cd sales/mp3 sales/ad revenue, and the limited edition cd’s (which they can sell as well if they want), which more than covers their $10 investment in an artist. A limited edition cd in a store could easily cost twice as much.

Artists can help in licensing their material…. Sellaband don’t mind. And of course the artist has a say as to where the music is licensed. I have first-hand experience that even when the SAB crew don’t agree with the artist, they still do their best for the artist and respect the artist’s wishes. It really is all controlled by the artist… no strong-arm tactics or dodgy behaviour like Sony etc (which is part of the reason Johan etc left Sony and EMI).

Just speaking from the artists’ perspective, they get a much better deal at SAB than at any other record label. Even established acts struggle to get a 50/50 publishing deal, whereas SAB gives 60% to unknown artists.

Nothings ever perfect for everyone of course, and SAB is getting better all the time (they lack alot of promotional power for instance, but this is being worked on as I speak). I may not agree with everything and all of what they do, but overall they are a very good opportunity for artists, and are trying to be a revolution in music… artists picked by fans.

Grab your free mp3’s of Mandyleigh btw

Oh, and SAB do allow artists to do CC stuff… Mandyleigh wanted to have her vocals out there for CC, and SAB were fine with that. As long as no-one goes and sells the songs they do with her vox that’s cool, feel free to have fun… that’s what CC is all about after all.

Anyway, the whole point of this min-thread was to help the dude find vocalists who would probably be excited to help on the project. There are alot of unsigned singers on SAB, and my suggestion was to get in touch with them via the forum and see who was interested. I don’t know anywhere else it would be so easy to contact singers who would love to help. Nothing to do with SAB, they just host the webspace where the singers hang out.

Cool. I actually emailed SAB a bunch of times without any response. Good to know they’re OK with you being remixed here.

Yes. Do you think you can play along with this MIDI file?

heh…Is that all, you need? I was hoping to play over rough mix with vocals, or something, so i could play with correct feel, and sound.
Anyway, im willing to help, just tell me, what you need. bit more details please :)

try it now

My hero. :)

I am listening to the whole thing right now. Great stuff! It has been an honour being a part of this, however tiny my contribution. I was amazed by the way my intro turned into a full song, resulting in something I never could have created myself. Thanks to everyone involved in this collective and a special thanks to DJ Rkod for making it happen.

Quote: SubliminalGreat stuff! It has been an honour being a part of this, however tiny my contribution.
Uh, yeah! What he said- goes for me as well…