Thanks Spin!
Glad that you like it, you know what does it mean to initiate a collaboration! ;-)

I just read up on the discussion regarding where the “one” should be in the vocal track.

Fascinating experience. Since I haven’t worked with the original vocal track, my “virgin ears” totally bought into the “one” as chosen in this remix. Period. No unpleasantness. Just a very laid back kind of groove where the vocal emphasis is on the two and four - essentially matching the snare drum in places or taking the place of an imaginary snare drum in the more open places.

After reading the discussion below, I listened to a couple of other remixes, who placed the “one” a beat later in the vocal track.

That may be the more straightforward approach, but it also is a little less exotic.

But one warning - listening to remixes with the “one” in the other place and this remix in quick succession is a bit unsettling - both ways. At least it is for me.

A fascinating exercise in musical listening memory and the emotions that evokes.

So I understand the sense of un-ease some of the other reviewers felt, but I can also assure you that to “virgin listening” ears, this remix totally worked!

One interesting note: In some of the other remixes, I seemed to sense an emphasis on 2 and 4 in other places later in the vocal track, where this remix has that emphasis on 1 and 3.

So (not having worked with this acapella myself yet), it would appear that the vocal track legitimately has both feels present: emphasis on 1 and 3 and emphasis on 2 and 4. And if one keeps the track together, one will end up with both feels.

Anyway, just very fascinating, and I just hope that this whole discussion has not spoiled your joy for a really wonderful remix. Because that it is!

No Spin, thanks a lot for all these words. This discussion doesn´t spoil me at all!
I found it more very remarkable that a remix does cause such a huge an interessting discussion.
Never made this experience before e.g. not on RW and not on MI7.

So this makes this place very enjoyable for me. It would be a sad thing though if anybody here would had a listen to this remix.
Finally it is a place for sharing ideas, opinions and experiences and I am really glad that you (yes, it was you:-))showed me the way to this exciting community.

So I will not hesitate to try another remix here. I am just afraid that it will be probably again some “Jarreau” style like Loveshadow mentioned and start to bore people here! ;-)

Thank you Darkroom!

We tried to give our best and Mindmovie will be pleased about your comment on the guitar!

The pleasure was on my side and I am looking forward for another musical tète á tète my friend!!

Thanks oldDog!

I will come over your profile as soon as possible to listen and to comment. So sorry for this deeellllaaaayyyy!
Re:-“..you’ve all done it justice.”
Well, there are different opinions about! ;-)

Well, I know what cdk means, it’s about where you hear the strong beat - have a listen to my mix at http://ccmixter.org/media/f...

to see what I mean - but it’s a matter of taste, and it’s interesting to hear it this way too!! Anyway, it’s a great mix, and I think everyone’s saying that :)

Aaah okay, just listened to it and it is getting now more clear what is meant. Well your groove here works fine for me, but before I start writing a review, I stop and step over to your site for commenting it. Thanks for giving me this link!

Neither TheJoe nor me and I think even Songboy does not notice what you hear there with the vocal line ? The feel is layed back there is nothing which is off track. Sorry but I cannot follow here

i’m not trying to offend, just noticed, the track may sound a little better with the vocals taken back exactly 1 count, it would flow even better, try it you’ll see what i mean. nothing in the instrumental is off at all, it is literally perfect. follow?

“moment” could be on the first step, not on the snare, just a suggestion.

Thanks a lot for the comment and the mentioned point of “groove-feel”.

Well this is completely interessting and so I have tried what you have suggested, not being sure if I could transform your idea exactly. So I have done different settings of placing the vocals. The result isn´t that easy to describe. In the first bars your suggestion works quite good, but a few bars later, everything is really out of time. But have a look on my reply to Loveshadows comment.

Be sure I don´t see it as an offend! This is what Peter the drummer said:

“It seems that some people have a very different concept of groove and feel, what is a normal thing, because everybody has a different taste though. And so I am glad to see that people came over and discuss this issue. Finally this is what makes the remix to something special!”

However, thanks for starting this discussion and I will come over to your profile soon(this is no menace!);-)

sending it to fhc would be awesome, he could even re-record it and make this a total colab remix, also, you may need to chop the acapella, if you feel like it, send me the instrumental and i would be glad to help…

once again, this is an amazing track…

Hey cdk!

It_s done! Now we have to wait for the result. And thanks again for your words that are much appreciated.

But again towards groove/feel: You should see me dancing! :-)

thanks man this makes me very happy

Thanks plurgid!

Really glad that you like it (the instrumental). Towards the placement of the vocals see my reply on cdk above!

Thanks Mr. Carter!

We really wanted to do some oldschool fashioned RnB/Soul style and we are all glad that we could surprise you. The mentioned point of vocal placement is a funny thing though. I will follow Loveshadows propose and sent you the instrumental track. May be you can find a solution for it?

Quote: Songboy3The vocals seem to lay oddly in the groove

I was intrigued by your comment and the general discussion around it, so I wrote a bit of a lengthier comment (as a reply to my own at the very top of the reviews).

You of course know your song really well, and had the vocals in a particular place in the groove. However, when I listened to this particular remix, I came in with “virgin ears”. A fascinating experience. If you’re curious, have a peek at my comment up above.

A general note - your a capella’s are outstanding - or should I say downright intimidating - however like a moth circling a flame, I won’t be be able to resist much longer :-)

Dude…STOP MAKIN’ ME BLUSH!!! LOL!!! I gotta tell you - CCMIXTER and folks like The Joe, DJ Lang and Loveshadow (…a whole lotta folks, too! I’m just not gonna list them right now!)inspire me so much! This place is a godsend!!! So it’s good that folks hear the same music but get something different from it! THAT’S when I know I’ve done something right! That’s why I like The Joe’s remix & ccMixter in general - it’s a place to learn. But….you KNOW that already..LOL!

thanks very much,the vocal line was the perfect inspiration for the melodic guitar solo. Your compliment makes me smile.

Thank you ditto ditto!

What a comment! I am so happy about it! My mates are too, especially Peter who is not(yet) a member here!

Will come over your other songs soon for commenting!

Thanks a lot Loveshadow!

It seems that the mentioned Jarreau style is gluing on my hands! Honest, this was not intended, probably something in my subconscious mind is fooling me? ;-)

I will follow your very good propose to sent Frank Carter the instrumental track and see what he can do!
Excellent idea and very constructive!

Thank you very much DJ Lang for this wonderful comment!

Your words about that vocal placement are true, right and really appreciated.

Me and my musical mates are very honoured by your words and glad that you like it.

Now I am drinking a digestive to your health!! :-)

Thank you so much for your kind words!
Me and my musical mates are very honoured.


And from this side a heartful welcome to this site. Your presence here is an enrichment for the community!

Aahm, your mentioned “organ stabs” are called “french horns” in my Emu sample library :-).

Still wonder what your “m8” means…?

LOL…TJ m8 (which is abbreviation for ‘mate’…lol)…it’s just like me to think they were organ stabs when they were french horns..the phrase ‘I’m an idiot’ comes to mind…lol ;)

Haha, YN!

Now that_s funny! m8=mate!
Holy s…! You´re mentioned phrase would go well for me too!;-)

till next time…

Hey duckett!

Thanks a lot for reviewing. Me and my mates are glad that we have found another fan of this track ;-).

See my review on your mentioned remix!

Sorry for responding that late. As a fan of your tunes, me and my mates are glad that we can count you as a fan of this tune!:-)

All good and best wishes for you in 2008!

Thanks too for this review essesq. As still mentioned, it_s never to late for commenting. Me and my mates are glad that you came over here and had a stop for listening.

That_s the important thing though on music.

Again wishing you a Good Happy New Year 2008!

Hey thanks a lot for stopping by and letting this kind comment. Mindmovie will pe pleased to read the words about his guitar playing.

Hello shimoda,

thank you so much for these uplifting words. Be sure, reviews like this one are never too late, the party is still going on :-)

As you could see, this remix was a result of a collaboration and I want to thank you kindly for your offer of bass playing. I don_t know yet, but probably I will knock on your door soon to ask if you couldn_t pull out your bass guitar for a track!!

anytime…oh and I do have two flavors, electric or upright. keep up the good work!

Hey DJ SID tA!

Thanks for the listen and comment!

My musical mates will appreciate it too! :-)

Hello beckfords!

Thanks a lot for the very nice comment! Funny thing that some people detect this 6 month old remix. I will forward your comment to my musical mates and I think they all will feel very honoured by your words. Yes, Anita Baker, never had the chance to visit one of her shows, but always loved her style and music (the good old 80s…) ;-)!
When I remeber right, there is already one of your vocal pellas somewhere on my pc waiting for the right musical background :-).
Sooner or later….

it must be great to get the chance to do the ‘live music’ thing joe…with the pace of living getting faster every day its sometimes a chore switching on the pc..so you preparing and sharing this was as soulful as music gets..nice one..

Hello and thanks!

What a surprise that after 8 months somebody detected this remix :-)

It may be my monitoring situation not having remarked the missing upper mids. This could be more than possible, because I did the mix over headphones. Don_t know if I will work again on this remix and follow your welcome suggestion.
Now I only need somebody with an expensive reverb or amp sim tool! ;-)

I also realize now, that you have uploaded so much samples and a remarkable remix that I just have a listen.

Will write a review soon!

Thanks again for the comment, I will forward it to my collegues!

Just to clarify (so you do not go chasing mids that are not missing) - I meant that in this genre, there is this sweet luxe sounding high sheen that is very wide. I experiment with getting this effect, in the music I work on, it equates to there being some sparkly wide air in the mix (I’ve not quite gotten to wear I want to be with that). So, definitely more of a production suggestion.