If someone uploads the individual tracks to a song in the samples section we will take the fully mixed version too.

thanks, great to know :)
I think I ll upload some stuff then

I just realized why I thought that this way of uploading stuff isn’t OK. If someone wants to upload samples there stands “DO NOT UPLOAD FULLY MIXED TRACKS” and “Fully mixed tracks will be deleted without further notice”. If you really want to accept fully mixed tracks, as long as the single lines are available, you maybe should change those lines a little bit.

I’m afraid unambiguous is not an option.

Personally i think keep a remix site just that. Myspace and such places give a platform for showcasing fully mixed songs.

This site gives you some great features to link to your submissions. So submit the stems of your original for remix here and post a link to a web page elsewhere with the full mix on it.

In my experience though many people are not concerned with the original. If it’s going to be a remix what has the original got to do with it.?

Consider also that even a few megabytes of space turns into gigs with mixed material and if push came to shove i would rather have an acapella track to work with than a mix i would not want to listen to taking up server space.

I’m in general agreement. I’d rather someone load the ocmponents of the song, along with a tag in the text “complete song available at [link]”. It’s not a big deal,
but I like the relative purity of this site being for remixes, and other, cool places being for complete tracks.

I have to say I have found it useful on occasion, esp. in the case of pells that have, er, unique phrasing, to refer to the original.

recipe for making a wildly popular music site:

- force registration for downloading
- allow back catalog uploads of fully mixed material
- cross promote with businesses looking to plug their products

The things that makes this site unique are the things that (probably) prevents that kind of wild popularity. I’ve said it before: for me the measure of success (in no particular order) is a) the quality of the remixes and b) the reuse of the music made here through video, podcasts, etc. and c) the atmosphere between community members.

re collab: For my money the serial thing seems to be working pretty great. Last year I buckled from user pressure to add the parallel collab feature but I still think the sample/pell -> remix formula is the one that works best here.

ftr in order for ccHost to scale to the archive.org level it would require (yet another) bottom up rewrite and I’m not sure a lot of the itch scratching features that we have here would survive.

I m quite new to this site and I have to admit that I really love it. And after I thought about this hole original material stuff once again, I think ccmixter should stay as it is. Opening it for original material could possibly destroy the hole feeling of this site, even the hole collaboration idea.

On the other side I wish that there would be something similar to ccmixter for original material. There is not much to add to spinmeisters post, I just want to explain why I don’t like the other sites. To post my music on the sites mentioned above feels like posting them on some random webspace, maybe I am quite unfair right now, but those don’t seem to be that serious to me (probably just because of the way they look like). Soundclick is just too full amd getting some people to listen to my music would take lots of time spending in the forums and advertising my music. And it’s also not only for CC music. The closest thing I found so far is jamendo.org. My problems with that site are that they demand to post hole albums and the community is nothing I want to become part of as they always fight against each other with stuff like revenge reviews. Their “community” is also split up in nationalities/languages and that makes many things worse to me, as I m no big fan of german music(ans). It would be great to have some serious site for uploading original material with a good community, but the only way to achieve such a good community seems to be not allowing original material.

“a question that I was excited about since the very first day on this site.”

Calm down. (just kidding)

I’ve seen them in both sections. Just my opinion but I would think the more minimal it is the more it’s a sample. I suspect it would also depend on length too. Just as an arbitrary example, anything longer than a minute would start to come across as a full mixed track. (?)

Also worth noting is that mixed samples don’t get used much from what I’ve noticed. User modifiable samples are definitely more popular.

Just to throw my own two cents in… If someone’s looking for a texture, or is less worried about bpm or key than they are something that just grabs them as useful or fun, they might play with something with more than one instrument etc. However, a short drums-only loop will probably be used more often than some 30-sec. sample complete with bassline, melody, etc. I’m just speaking for myself, but the less stretching artifacts, or other obvious signs of manipulation, the better (unless I’m going for a deliberately mangled sound)…

‘excuse my french’ (english in this case :) )
But how could you notice them in both sections? It’s possible to find a track as a sample, but you even won’t be able to upload a beat as a mixed track, cause you need to point to material that you remixed. So if you used no material from this site you can’t upload it. Possible workaround here is to have some kind of a ‘dummy ’ sample which is actually 5-10 secs of silence to be remixed every time you want to upload hip-hop beat for future use by MCs )))

“But how could you notice them in both sections?”

Both as in the samples and the “full mix” in the sample section. Not talking about the remixes. : )

uploading hip-hop beats is allowed? I didn’t know that… that’s great! It doesn’t only give me the opportunity to publish some stuff(I m still learning remixing ;) ), it also gives me the opportunity to listen to more of E-States work .

To be honest I m kind of waiting to hear what fourstones is saying to that uploading beats stuff …

E-State’s stuff is already out there ;)

I Guess It’s a Remix Now.

Quote: remaximTo be honest I m kind of waiting to hear what fourstones is saying to that uploading beats stuff …

Please do not be confused about this: whatever teru says is the law.

Quote: fourstoneswhatever teru says is the law.

Thanks, I didn’t know that. Are there some more people I have to know about?

btw: teru, I hope I didn’t do you wrong … the only admin I knew about was fourstones.

No problem remaxim.

Thanks fourstones.

Remixing stuff is why we’re all here. The “What about original material” thing refers to those cases where people upload finished, mastered pieces. If you read Victor’s CCMixter memoir:

http://fourstones.net/ccmix...

You’ll note that what happened to such tracks is that they were never remixed, which kind of defeated the purpose of what the site’s for. Without stems there’s not much you can do with a mastered piece without EQing the hell out of it. But if you’re posting the stems, then you’re not doing that. So no need to worry.

As far as getting your stuff remixed, I think you’ll find what works the best is either partial songs (incomplete arrangements), or small 1-2 minute pieces.

If you look at one of the most remixed guys here, Panu Moon, he’ll post a sketch of a song, with just guitar and voice, and anywhere from four to ten people are on that within a month.

When I post partial instrumental songs (Fourths, Groove in D, NH, There, Baby Bird Acoustic) these always get remixed. However, whenever I’ve posted a full piece (Amblin, Baby Bird), nothing happens.

I suspect the reason for that is that if you contribute a fully realized piece of art, other listeners/remixers don’t see room for their own vision.

Besides, would original material go under sample?

Original material is great for providing new material to the remixing community on ccmixter - but don’t upload fully mixed tracks - upload the stems so a remixer has room to “paint their own picture”.
Yes -you would upload as a sample, then subsequent stems using the add button that appears after your first file is uploaded.
Welcome to ccM!

I actually like when someone uploads a complete track with all the stems. I wanted to do some projects where I actually use full mixes too. It’s also useful to be able to hear the original mix in its entirety.

Quote: Scomber don’t upload fully mixed tracks - upload the stems so a remixer has room to “paint their own picture”.


You are right.
But my point is that a singer could be inspired by a full instrumental mix and make a great song.
We all add musics on the pellas from this board, singers should be aloud to add their vocals on full mixes.

Singers do that all the time! A lot of my remixes (especially my early remixes) started out that way - One for Me, After the War, In/Out… .Ciggi Burns, Scomber, Narva9, Kaer Trouz are just a few others I can think of off the top of my head that also do that.

Thanks for replying.
So, I could post a full instrumental mix on the sample section (full mix sub-section) only if I upload all the parts right?

Another question please :what is a “Tubed BY You” mix exactly? Who is aloud to post on that section and what? Sorry but I didn’t find any info about that.

Yes, you could post a full instrumental mix a a sample if you upload the individual stems.

the Tubed By You remix project was a remix event we held last year and the submission window was closed a while ago. however, if you tag your track “music_for_film” it should end up in the right search results.

I’m late to this….thanks a lot for the clarification.

Maybe I don’t understand your question exactly, but you’re not supposed to upload an original track for its own sake. Like you did it now as a preview for your vocals which other people can use in their remixes is ok though.

That’s what I thought, but I had to double check. Thanks, man!

When I say original loops, I mean unmixed stem loops. Like an original 8 bar loop of each track.

Hi Bernard,

You’ve asked some very important questions that I would like to help answer.
I want to cover all that you mentioned in the order you typed it:

1) Submitting original loops and instrumentals is the most important part of the site. The thread you’re responding to was started in 2006, and many things have changed since then. I cannot speak on behalf of the admin that originally posted that, but I can tell you what works best for me if not everyone is to submit original, separated music parts.

(separated as in: drums, bass, melody, vocals etc. all without effects or “dry”)

2) “Samples” is a term that covers a broad spectrum, but one important thing to note is we’re not talking about sampling copyrighted music/film/TV/etc and posting anything that uses that. I personally discourage using anything that you can’t credit or share due to license agreements either, just things that you make yourself. Not to put too fine a point on it, but something you make yourself using unlicensed copyrighted material is not acceptable.

3) “Samples” on ccMixter means music parts, acappellas, sound effects, etc. that you made yourself and want to license with a Creative Commons license and get remixed or used in other people’s work.

If you can separate the parts of your original loops and instrumentals, I would encourage you to share them here. You may not be remixed right away if at all, but (and this is most important) you will have a license for your work that dictates how people can use it when they do.

If your loops and instrumentals are fully mixed and cannot be separated, I would recommend using a site like soundcloud to share them. You can even put links to those works in your profile page, if you’re looking to promote them.

There is another thing to consider: people who make videos or films may want to use your work, and are more likely to choose your work if they can isolate parts or adjust the levels to fit in with their design. It’s rare that they are going to reach out to you to ask for this if it isn’t already done, they’ll probably just keep looking.

As far as the sounds that come with samplers, that could mean a few things. Standalone hardware might have them built-in or have an option of loading in expansion packs, and the manufacturer most likely cleared the rights, but if in doubt just reach out to their customer support. DAW suites and VSTs might come with samples in their software, and usually they are specific about whether or not you can use them in commercial projects. My best advice is if you can’t get it in writing that the samples are free to use (check the terms or reach out to them) it’s probably because they aren’t. I’m happy to help you research that. You can send me an email if you’d prefer.

Let me know what you think of this and if it helps.

Kind regards,
Apoxode

Hi Apox,

Thanks for the quick reply. :)

Samplewise, I was thinking of the sample libraries that comes with Ableton Live and Kontakt. It would make sense that we can use those instruments to create original material. People use those in commercial productions all the time.

I’m also using band-in-a-box to generate backing tracks. I’ve already checked with PG Music and used almost exclusively BIAB tracks on my album.

And yes that does help.

Thanks for helping me think this more clearly. :) I’ll keep on uploading my jams. :)

Another takeaway from your reply is that I should ask my self:

What kind of license do the “samples” come with.

Hi Bernard,

I’m glad I was able to help.

Something I thought of just now is that if you upload stems here and for some reason aren’t aware of when they are used (maybe you don’t get the notification or are busy with something else), the site automatically honors the terms of your license.

In response to your follow-up, that is the first question I ask when looking for material to work with. If something says it’s public domain, I don’t trust it until I can determine why it’s public domain, and if something is royalty-free, I make sure I do what is asked of the owner to keep it that way.

I’m looking forward to hearing your beats :)

Kind regards,
Apoxode