Happy to Announce New File Size - 50MB (beta)
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Tue, Dec 1, 2009 @ 1:14 PM
in celebration of the holiday season, i am pleased to announce ccMixter now supports uploads of files up to 50MB!
this big of a change will increase our bandwidth and storage costs but we believe it will be worth it, to enable more lossless quality stems (FLAC), MegaMixes and larger sample packs of higher quality. we kindly ask for your assistance to make sure uploads are of highest quality in both performance and recording, and that this new file size limit will not result in abuse. Victor only just made the increase live and we need some help testing it out, so your feedback on function and experience would be appreciated! thank you all for making ccMixter so revolutionary! peace. |
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Victor may have a differing opinion, but I prefer FLAC. FLAC is lossless, so the same quality as WAV or AIFF, but nearly half the file size.
Samples/Stems: I like it when you upload a 128k MP3 of the sample or at least one of your song stems so it can be streamed easily. But you may want to also add ‘A New File’ of the sample in FLAC (16-bit) — or a zipfile of a sample or stem pack. Mixes: I think I’m finding it is actually better if you upload your remixes in 128k MP3 so people can stream your song from ccMixter.org easily (I need to do this myself!). Pellas: Upload one in 128k MP3 so folks can preview it. Then upload ‘A New File’ with a FLAC version so your vocals can sound their very best in remixes. That’s my two cents :) |
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FLAC for all samples and pells would be ideal - many people don’t even realize that modern DAWs, Ableton for one, treat FLAC as a native format.
For ‘pells and esp. remixes I still recommend MP3 VBR. Why? By allowing 50MB I’m sure people will start uploading 256k and greater MP3s which will make streaming and playing through the flash player a complete dud. It will be devastating to playlists, interrupting flow dramatically. If it gets really bad, we can always alter the code to ignore huge bit rate MP3s for streaming and flash playing. |
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would it make sense and be realistic to make a different requirement for the primary files compared to secondary one’s?
i.e. primary can only be up to 192kbps VBR? And only secondary files can be really large? i.e. as a compromise for instant listening needs vs. HQ download ideals? |
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unfortunately the code just isn’t set up for that kind of verification in a reliable way. What we do now is select the best candidate for the streaming and the flash player, I can easily modify that code to exclude huge files based on size and/or sample rate.
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if you’re auto-selecting, that would work, too. Is the logic going down the list and selecting the first one that fits the criteria? Because secondary files are often different tracks, not just different formats. So the uploader could have some control within the limits of not breaking the system.
And as you previously suggested, if nothing fits the criteria for reliable playback, then that file just gets skipped in playlists. Would it work to have a * or ? or something instead of the player controls next to files of that nature and somewhere explain what’s going on (maybe one of those text boxes that floats when hovering over that?) Is there room on the upload page to explain some of these issues and rules and recommendations? For individual pages might still be ok to attempt the playback? Is there any chance to have a little warning line, only displayed in the case of a file not meeting the minimum playback criteria, mentioning that the file may not play back well on some systems? |
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I’m also quite partial to FLAC, but MP3 is still necessary for streaming previews.
Lossless matters even if you can’t hear the difference now. You or your listeners will hear it after additional transcodes through lossy codecs. Lossless files bring ultimate flexibility, from an archival point of view. FLAC also has the advantage of being entirely open source itself: OGG never took off because MP3 was already so dominant, but there doesn’t yet seem to be a dominant lossless format. FLAC is the best bet at having an open audio format get any sort of widespread listener adoption. And lossless formats as a whole will become more important as space/bandwidth limitations (hopefully) become increasingly irrelevant. /rant |
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Tue, Dec 1, 2009 @ 4:21 PM
Wow…oooh…aahhh…and to think when I first started remixing I had to keep to 4 MB. That’s awesome. You guys rock.
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Tue, Dec 1, 2009 @ 7:07 PM
So I just posted a podcast as a remix. I feel so dirty. :)
But seriously, how would you feel (by you I mean Emily, Victor, and others) about adding a “podcast” option for uploads? With a 50mb limit, you might get more people involved in what I’d call “curated micro podcats”, or similar to what I just threw together for J. Lang. Just a thought. |
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MCJ’s in the room! with ‘curated micro podcasts’ —pretty sweet idea!
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I’ve created a new submit form “DJ Set”.
They won’t be listed in ‘remixes’ but I made a new tab under the Playlist - Podcast main tab. |
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Wed, Dec 2, 2009 @ 5:05 AM
wonderful! I’m very glad to hear about this. Hopefully this will encourage all sorts of experimentation and playing around with formats :)
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yes, we will need to do some development and it is on the roadmap. we thought of waiting to do the file size upgrade, but thought again, let’s just increase is it now, and build tools for format protocol as we go….and with the input from ccM folks. please keep it coming!
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Thu, Dec 3, 2009 @ 1:17 PM
Thank you! This is great! Now it won’t take me days to uploads songs since I love stacking vocals. Bless you Victor and your precisience! Happy holidays, everyone!
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Thu, Dec 3, 2009 @ 3:33 PM
I might also suggest that people doing vocal tracks should be using 192k mp3’s for better quality. They’re not that much bigger.
Performing DSP in a remix on a converted 128k mp3 is not the best idea. All of my remix files are 192k and they play fine. |
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I believe VBR still implies specifying a (max?) rate — or am I mistaken?
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Fri, Dec 4, 2009 @ 4:37 AM
Wow thats prety cool CCMIXTER
Fanx for doing this :) time to do some BEST OF DJ MIXES for next year SEE YOU AROUND THEN |
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Fri, Dec 4, 2009 @ 8:22 AM
I love you for doing this. FLAC has always been my format of choice and if people start uploading more of it here… I’ll be getting very busy.
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