I’m trying to figure out the best way to do that. I was kind of waiting to see if that will really be a problem, or just a theoretical one. Open to suggestions.

I think for me the problem with the remix going into a “waiver” state is that my work then becomes available for commercial use for which I get no credit or cash!

What I like about CCM is that I knowingly give my work to others to use free of charge in the knowledge that they will pass this free usage down to the next user and so on.

To see the big old commercial world getting its hands on it without any acknowledgement goes against the principle of CCM for me.

If their was the option for the mixer to change the waiver to a licence thats OK but then that leaves the sampler unhappy and maybe the next user will change his remix to a CCO waiver!

Tricky one!!

I was asking for suggestions regarding the user interface - one that doesn’t confuse/make things worse.

The other stuff is about the philosophy behind CC0 which is different than that of trying to protect your work from the world. It’s a gift to the world. When you give a gift to someone do you expect to get paid? with either money or credit? (rhetorical) Once you’ve made the choice to use the waiver there shouldn’t be a whole lot of hand-wringing after that.

As you say, when I give a gift to someone I don’t expect them to pay me but nor do I expect them to go and sell it!!

you’re still coming at it from a place of wanting to control. perhaps cc0 isn’t for you - that’s cool.

You’re right CCO does not appear to be for me.

Going back to my original question it just seems to me that if the sample originator gives the CCO waiver which will automatically give my remix the same then I will have to just not use those samples.

I like the idea that someone can if they wish give their product to the world to do with as it wishes its just I’d like to have the same freedom to give the new remix the licence I would like to have on it when I have used it for my purposes.

Anyway enough from me let’s see what others think.

Quote: fourstonesI’m trying to figure out the best way to do that. I was kind of waiting to see if that will really be a problem, or just a theoretical one. Open to suggestions.

I suggest technically to treat incorporating a cc0 bit the same as incorporating a BY bit. Sure, attribution is not required but neither is it forbidden and it is polite.

Does that make sense?

all the best,

drew

yup - and it really is just a matter of presenting it in a way that doesn’t raise more questions than it answers. One of the challenges of being the first site to really take these new fangled licenses/waivers head on is finding the balance between what they imply/require legally and making the usable - this is: not overwhelm the musician with legal jargon and philosophy.

Quote: radiotimesIf a remix is done using samples with a CCO waiver can the mixer change this to another CC licence when the new work is uploaded

Legally, it is not required to go there any more than a remix is done using samples with a BY license needs to stay plain BY licensed.

Does that make sense to you?

all the best,

drew

Quote: spinmeisterNo need to justify your position

exactly. I like that.

in response to a private email exchange, allow me to clarify: I believe all different ways of transferring IP (Intellectual Property) are totally OK and in an ideal world, they do live side by side in parallel. Personally I am participating/have participated in at least three rather different economic models of IP transfer. Sometimes I charge money for my work, sometimes I flat out give it away, and sometimes I have worked for contingency arrangements (i.e. I get something out of it, only if my customer makes money).

And I most certainly have been on the receiving side of all 3 economic models. I have benefited from entirely free stuff, I’ve paid good money for some stuff and I have made success based arrangements.

I decide on a case by case basis. Not always consistent, but always having feet in both camps commercial and free. For me, they are NOT enemies of each other, but both belong to a healthy and happy human experience. But that’s just me. I don’t lose respect for anyone taking a different personal path.

I do however have limited respect for those who argue strongly for inherent eternal superiority of one vs. the other. Life is complex. It’s black AND white. It’s day AND night. It’s free AND commercial.

Most of my music software and sample libraries are commercial (as in not pirated, properly licensed and paid for with my own money) (side note: putting some limitations on exactly what I can turn around and release for free as individual tracks), but I also use a couple of freebies. I’m also getting to play at ccM for free. Don’t even have to watch flash ads or even text adds. Color me grateful.

/end rant and off to upload some CC0.