Branching Out Secret Mixter Sign Ups
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permalink   Tue, Nov 13, 2007 @ 3:54 PM
As I mentioned in another thread playlists are a fantastic feature here, and so far they are still quite underutilized.

VS, in response to your invitation about ideas for playlists and such:

- maybe a “recommend” feature for playlists,
- a “Picks” page for playlists similar to the “Picks” for remixes? i.e. the idea is, that having a well managed playlist becomes recognized as well?
- a forum dedicated to discussing playlists

generally the idea becoming, that playlists are valuable objects like remixes and samples and people can develop a reputation for their playlists, just like others for their music.
permalink   Tue, Dec 4, 2007 @ 1:52 PM
re: Hot Playlists.

Is there any way to filter out playlists with only 1 track from showing up on the Hot Playlists list?

As of writing this there are 8/20 playlists showing 1 track. And only 4/20 playlists with 5 or more tracks.
permalink   teru Fri, May 9, 2008 @ 6:54 PM
I just noticed this again today.

10 out of the 16 “ Hot Playlists” have only 1 track.

I think I was ignored the first time so I thought I’d mention it again. : )
permalink   victor Sat, May 10, 2008 @ 12:47 AM
sorry, won’t happen again ;)
permalink   Sat, Nov 17, 2007 @ 1:22 AM
I’ve always felt like there’s a ‘duh’ incentive program out there but it’s never hit me so maybe it’s not that obvious given our current resources.

e.g. some kind of contest that encourages folks to come up with ‘ready to podcast’ list and a “big time” podcaster agreed to judge and then play the thing as is.

If it works I could see us get dozens of great, theme/genre oriented playlists off the bat.
permalink   gurdonark Sat, Nov 17, 2007 @ 10:08 AM
That’s down the right path, I think—perhaps a “name” DJ and a big-time podcaster who agrees to play what the DJ picks.
permalink   spinmeister Sun, Nov 18, 2007 @ 9:59 AM
interesting idea!
permalink   Sun, Nov 18, 2007 @ 10:51 AM
I don’t have scientific data to back this up, but at the sites that I’ve participated in, contests seemed to bring in new people and to a degree bring back inactive users, too.

But I find it interesting that the moratorium on contests at ccM at least so far doesn’t seem to have hurt. That could be because ccM has attained a critical mass of participants and/or crossed some magical quality threshold, which makes contests less important or even counterproductive.

That being said, the current user community probably see themselves more as music makers (writers, singers, players, producers), than music connoisseurs and/or promoters, etc. And it’s that latter kind of people, that might treat the creation and maintenance of playlists as their primary musical self-expression. I have met more than one person over the years, who didn’t know how to make a note of music themselves, but who’s involvement and understanding of music (album collections, historical and trivia knowledge of artists, etc.)
was totally stunning.

These kinds of people are more than your average fleeting and somewhat shallow consumer - they often invest as much time and money in their music hobby as any music maker. It’s the kind of person who during a divorce gives up the house just to keep the album collection :-)

And I don’t think they have a real good community outlet yet, especially one where they would get to interact with the artists . There are a couple of smaller sites (sometimes on the fringes of copyright) where people are making nothing but mix-tapes (in mp3). And of course there are fan sites, but these people I’m talking about aren’t simple fans - they aren’t in it for the star allure, but much more for the art’s sake. There may be some overlap with people, who are DJ’ing, but they are not all DJs (some DJs crossing over into music making themselves).

If one could attract and culture those kinds of people, that might add an amazing dimension to ccM both in the current context as well as in the ccM+ context currently under discussion.

I find the ccM playlists are a fundamental tool, but probably need to be further evolved as ccM objects in their own right much like the current primary ccM objects: samples, a cappellas and remixes, which give reputation to their creators, can be exported to other sites, be picked (by editors and by “the crowd”), etc.

So maybe the right thing to do is both:
* add more (technical) features to playlists AND
* market them to a new kind of ccM participant via contests and such.

ccMixter has so much potential (in the .org as well as in a ccM+ concept, it’s downright scary. I’ll mention some other thoughts in their own threads as well. Of course, VS may have thought of most/all of those ideas already, but at least if some others of us are mentioning and discussing them, it hopefully will help him to evolve, refine and prioritize them.
permalink   Mon, Nov 19, 2007 @ 10:58 AM
I’d say the simplest idea is to remind people that it can be fun to play broadcast DJ or music director, the key is a theme. Look at how successful the calendarsongs concept has been- something spanning genres, that all mixters would/could take an interest in would be good. I remember Project 1 had a theme, but it was a bit too vague, but the Halloween theme was invigorating for the last secretmixter… how about a link to a cc-movie at least 30 min. long, w/ the challenge not to be making new mixes to score it, but simply choosing only existing remixes? That at least would get mixters’ minds going in the playlist direction, and wouldprompt more digging amongst the less visible artists, samples etc. Maybe a cc-based work of lterature, a short story, or even an outline of the “5 W’s”, with the challenge being to create a playlist that tells/illustrates/scores/complements the story. I’m just brainstorming, but I think involving other ccmedia can’t help but get people going in new directions, and would encourage more productive crosstalk between disparate creators/users; how about asking each mixter to imagine “NASA’s called and requested YOU to select 15 remixes (only one (maybe two?) of which can be your own), for inclusion on its next interstellar probe/message to the stars”?
…OK, that’s enough outta me, HTH.
MC Jack in the Box
permalink   Wed, Jun 18, 2008 @ 1:11 PM
So let me begin this post by saying that there’s absolutely nothing wrong with the current set-up, i’m just thinking out loud here….

As part of my job, I’ve done a fair bit of web design, and I personally think it would be really great to include some kind of cross platform, maybe flash based media player ( like this one we’ve all seen) on the homepage. The reason I’m even bringing this up is that ccmixter is all about music, but you have to link in to hear anything from the homepage. I just think it would be nice to have the latest remixes show up in a flash player on the homepage. I miss the old latest remixes text listing in the sidebar, and frankly, i think the “latest” remixes get kind of buried behind the “ed picks”. Having a dynamic playlist showing the latest remixes would really be a nice feature on the homepage, break up alot of the text that’s now there, and make the music instantly accessable to anyone who visits the site.

Just my 2 cents….
permalink   teru Thu, Jun 19, 2008 @ 1:01 PM
My 2 cents. (Canadian)

I think it’s been mentioned before but I believe the reason Latest Remixes are not on the Home Page is that most regular visitors know how to find the latest remixes quite easily or have them bookmarked. And although the music on this site is of the highest quality, Latest Remixes on the Home Page would still be too random I think.

I made a blog page with a bunch of flash players to help me keep track of new uploads. Please bookmark it if you like it. : )

Slightly off topic but, what I’d like to figure out is how to make older stuff easier to sort through. There is a ton of great stuff that’s not ED picked or Recommended high enough to notice. The Recommends are working great for the newer tracks but I’ve noticed most music here has a short shelf life.
permalink   duckett Thu, Jun 19, 2008 @ 5:39 PM
That’s the thing with having more and more remixers showing up, and putting out more and more hi-test remixes; it seems almost as though it only takes a few hours at most for a track to go from the top of the “New Remixes” list, to vanishing entirely- plus the Ed Picks (while still very much deserved) come pretty fast and furious too. (I’m also still trying to figure out why I no longer get notifications, but that’s another story.)
Whenever I see folks swarming over some great new pellas, I tend to back off touching them, and go poking around for something older or different, simply because I don’t want to contribute to oversaturation, or come off like, “Oh yeah? Well, how ‘bout MY splendiferous remix? It’s pretty nifty too, ya know…”
If I had acres of experience, talent, and a very efficient workflow, it might be a different story- but when things get hectic ‘round ccMixter-way, I take it as a good excuse to throw on my miner’s helmet, and start digging through the dustier tunnels…
permalink   MC Jack in the Box Thu, Jun 19, 2008 @ 5:56 PM
I think you and teru bring up a good point about the buried treasure. A couple weeks ago, I actually was going to start a project I was going to call “No Pella Left Behind” where i was going to go all the way back to the beginning of the archive and start remixing any pellas that had no remixes. Then I realized what an overwhelming task that would be once i changed the search parameter from “featured” to “all” in the pella browser. :O

but i think you’ve touched a nerve for me about the archive since i was thinking about it anyways. i think what i might do instead is put together a playlist of the best pellas i can find with no remixes and work off that.

as far as the homepage player goes, i hear what you’re saying about the “randomness (ie signal to noise ratio) of featuring the “latest remixes” on the homepage, but i disagree, and feel that the latest remixes truly represent what the site is about, and in a dynamic player, they won’t be up for long anyways. In order to see a listing of the latest remixes, you have to mine down 2-3 links/pages through tabs to get to it. the ed picks are plastered all over the place. and yes, i know i’m biting the hand that feeds me here, but this is how i’ve felt for a long time now. not trying to ruffle feathers but i really feel the latest remixes (which is what i’m usually looking for first) gets the short end of the UI stick.

that said, victor and teru do an awesome job! :)
permalink   victor Fri, Jun 20, 2008 @ 11:55 AM
There’s a couple of different completely different threads going on here:

new uploads drive new visitors away, ed picks make them stick. I don’t know what else to say about that.

I’ve had flash players on the home page and people rarely played them, it just didn’t seem to be a big hit of any significance.

I’m a 3rd rate UI designer so if you see another site that has digging for old pells done well (in html, not flash) or you can think of something that we could do (in html, not flash) or if you know how to code a digging feature (in either html or flash or fortran) then I’m totally game.

Same goes for golden moldy gems buried in the remix archives.

permalink   MC Jack in the Box Fri, Jun 20, 2008 @ 12:12 PM
Quote: fourstones
new uploads drive new visitors away, ed picks make them stick. I don’t know what else to say about that.

again, not trying to upset anyone but is this directly correlated or just an opinion? the reason i even brought this up is that it seems short sighted to think that the only music worth promoting here is what the subjective “editors” think. while the “ed picks” is a nice and worthwhile feature, and i think the analogy commonly used is that of a bookstore, when i go into a bookstore i rarely if ever check out what the employees recommend, and i want it to be easy to find what’s new. maybe that’s just me or maybe i’m in the minority. that’s cool.

i mention this mostly since there’s plenty of artists here who rarely if ever get ed picked, yet are actively involved on every level but maybe just don’t make commercially viable work. so their work gets lost and buried. like i said, this is just my opinion, nothings broken, and i’ll just stick to reviews and remixes from now on. thanks.
permalink   victor Fri, Jun 20, 2008 @ 12:48 PM
it’s directly correlated to navigation data that takes a while to collate so I only do it every few months and additionally supported by anecdotal feedback and I get on a much more frequent basis.
permalink   victor Sat, Jun 21, 2008 @ 10:03 AM
If you want to go at unmixed pells I suggest all the Brad out of it snippets that were part of his ‘community pell drive’. Just doing those would probably raise the pell remixed stats back into the 90 percentile range.
permalink   MC Jack in the Box Sun, Jun 22, 2008 @ 8:41 PM
Quote: fourstonesIf you want to go at unmixed pells I suggest all the Brad out of it snippets that were part of his ‘community pell drive’. Just doing those would probably raise the pell remixed stats back into the 90 percentile range.

so i emailed Brad and he told me the bpm for “out of it” was 131. so all the “out of it” vocal stems and full length tracks should synch to this if anyone is interested. i think it would be kind of cool to create a whole bunch of different style covers of his tune with different vocalists. it’s a simple arrangement in D, 3 chords total (D, G, and A).

at least that’s where i’m headed with this if anyone wants to join me.
permalink   victor Sun, Jun 22, 2008 @ 8:58 PM
heh, in case I wasn’t clear: I meant you MCJITB should do a remix with all the out of it pells ;)
permalink   vo1k1 Fri, Jun 20, 2008 @ 2:23 PM
Quote: teruI made a blog page with a bunch of flash players to help me keep track of new uploads. Please bookmark it if you like it. : )

Very nice! I took a look at the code - nice and easy - demystified the api for me - I think I’d like to create my own page that automates the “bin browsing” I usually do.

Quote: teruSlightly off topic but, what I’d like to figure out is how to make older stuff easier to sort through. There is a ton of great stuff that’s not ED picked or Recommended high enough to notice. The Recommends are working great for the newer tracks but I’ve noticed most music here has a short shelf life.

Yes! I’ve been wondering about this. Sometimes I wish there was something like a “More like this” or “You might also like” link for remixes. Maybe generated by data-mining with some recommendation network analysis?
permalink   victor Fri, Jun 20, 2008 @ 8:08 PM
Here’s a sincere suggestion:

You guys do it.

Last week I turned on a feature that shows how many playlists a song is included it (go to a popular song’s page to see what I mean) and how many lists an artist shows up in (go to a profile and see ‘playlists’).

Rather than rely on the code, make this a community task: You folks highlight older tracks by placing next to newer, edpick ones in playlists that you feel go together.

If everybody within earshot of this thread set aside 20 min, twice a week to build those playlists, you’d have all the things you’re asking for in a very robust way in about 6 weeks.
permalink   teru Sat, Jun 21, 2008 @ 1:41 AM
If we place older tracks next newer ED picks in playlists. Won’t that rack up the stats for ED picks even more?

Sorry if I misunderstood and missed something.
permalink   victor Sat, Jun 21, 2008 @ 10:01 AM
No, it easily could be me missing something…

Let’s say you create a playlist that has, I don’t know, hot 70’s porno funk style tracks (just as an example) called “Huggy Bear’s Favorite Lowrider Tracks” and say, hypothetically, one of those types of tracks becomes really popular on recommends or is edpicked, you would put the new track into the playlist along with tracks that are several years old.

That gives people a way to get “more like this…” and they don’t have to sort through anything, they are just traversing our catalog through playlists that are organized by all of us.

I thought that solves every issue brought up in this thread… maybe not…

permalink   teru Thu, Jun 26, 2008 @ 1:13 AM
Oh I get it now. Yeah that works.

I never said I was quick. ; )
permalink   victor Thu, Jun 26, 2008 @ 1:36 AM
Get crackin’ ;)

I’ve got these up and running:

Sweet Acoustic!
Awesome chill!
Great R&B!
50s, 60s, 70s, 80s, etc.
Guitar Heroics
Soothing Ambience
Head Snappin HipHop
just the funk m’am
MC Jack in the Box
permalink   Sun, Jun 22, 2008 @ 1:30 AM
ok, maybe i’m an idiot but is it possible to delete certain selections from an existing playlist without deleting or emptying the whole playlist? i can’t quite figure out how. thanks.
permalink   MC Jack in the Box Sun, Jun 22, 2008 @ 1:45 AM
oops. never mind. i found it.
permalink   victor Sun, Jun 22, 2008 @ 2:15 AM
btw, refresh you browser - I put an ‘edit’ link into the playlist menu.
permalink   MC Jack in the Box Sun, Jun 22, 2008 @ 11:00 AM
i think what was confusing me was when you go to the expanded playlist you want to edit, you see an “add to” link next to each song but when you click that “add to” link, there is one “remove” option with the 4-5 “add” options. maybe if that link said “add/remove” instead of “add to”, that would help. but i figured it out so no worries.
permalink   victor Sun, Jun 22, 2008 @ 11:07 AM
yea, and now (like I said above) there’s an ‘edit’ playlist link jammed in there too.

I’ve been considering replacing all the ‘Add to…’ links all over the site with ‘actions’ like in the listings so you can do every action available every time you see an upload - make everything all that more consistant.
permalink   MC Jack in the Box Sun, Jun 22, 2008 @ 11:29 AM
despite whatever grievances, nuances, and petty bugs that pop up, it’s comforting to know that a real person is listening and responding, and i mean that honestly. losing the level of tech support you provide is something i hope doesn’t diminish with regards to this rfp.
permalink   teru Sun, Jun 22, 2008 @ 11:52 AM
Heh. There are times I’ve asked him for something. Like a feature or reported a bug and it was dealt with faster than it would take me to re-boot my own computer.

I’m sure I don’t need to tell you but I’m constantly in awe of what he does and how well he does it. It’s not just his programming skills. It’s about intuition, anticipation and knowing what we want. He truly is one of a kind. And we’re all so very lucky for it.