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Noise in Fort Minor vocals

TheB.
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permalink   Wed, Apr 12, 2006 @ 9:47 AM
Hi,

I do not know if I am right here, but since I searched
the site for clues on above topic and only found
something in the review section, this must be the better place.

Ok, the vocals, imho, have a technical problem.
The noise is pure digital/technical nature and
has nothing to do with the recording quality.

Possible explanations:

1) is this intended?
2) is it an error in file export or something?
3) is it a special sync signal for special software?
4) is it a game???

Ok, I can denoise it, but this is some kind of ugly.

All I know is, that I have a bunch of digital data
in these files that I want to get rid of.

Could somebody enlighten me what point I am missing
here?

Thanx,
The B.
cinematrik
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permalink   Wed, Apr 12, 2006 @ 10:13 AM
Not sure if this is what’s causing it but the Fort Minor samples were all recorded at the 48khz sample rate, and are 24bit. Most audio software and audio interfaces default to using 44.1khz (which is the CD sample rate), so you might be encountering a problem due to that. What platform are you on? What software do you use? Somebody around here should be able to help you convert the files if you’re not sure how.

In case you use a mac like I do, I converted the files right in Logic, but there is a free program called Soundhack that will convert the files as well. I’m not sure what I’d use on a PC, but something like Goldwave might work. Hope that helps!

Tim
TheB.
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permalink   Wed, Apr 12, 2006 @ 11:20 AM
Hi Tim,

thanx for your answer.

So you don’t hear any noise? No hiss?

I am on Windows and using Cubase SX and Wavelab.

24 bit/ 48kHz should not be the problem.

I just tried a file on my Mac, same noise.

When I zoom in on the start of a any of the vocal
files I see an ugly square wave, that I think is
the cause for the hiss.

Probably this a problem on my side since nobody else
(except in the review) seems to have troubles with it.

Could you just post a short verification, that you
don’t have any noise in that tracks. Would be great,
than I know where to seek for a solution.

Thanx & So long,
The B.
cinematrik
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permalink   Wed, Apr 12, 2006 @ 11:58 AM
There is definitely some hiss present, but it’s kind of low compared to the levels on the main vocal tracks. It does sound kind of ugly at the beginning especially where the delay fx are now that I really listen to it, but again, buried in the mix I don’t notice it. The good news is that there is quite a bit of just hiss up front, so you could run your noise reducers and point to that and it should minimize it.

Another question - are you running any compression plugs on the track or on the master? That will bring the noise up as well, and maybe that’s exaggerating the problem on your end…

Hope that helps!

Tim
TheB.
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permalink   Wed, Apr 12, 2006 @ 12:20 PM
Quote: There is definitely some hiss present, but it’s kind of low compared to the levels on the main vocal tracks.

Ok, thank you very much!

So it is not a platform/software problem…

Quote: The good news is that there is quite a bit of just hiss up front, so you could run your noise reducers and point to that and it should minimize it.

Suboptimal ;-)
Already tried it, at least with my plug-ins you
have the choice between hiss removal and saying
goodbuy to some high frequencies.

If we could find out what kind of technical signal
this is, it could be removed without any loss by
reconstructing and inverting.

No chance with watermarks and that kind of stuff,
but should work well with some kind of code or sync.

Quote: Another question - are you running any compression plugs on the track or on the master? That will bring the noise up as well, and maybe that’s exaggerating the problem on your end…


No, I just got the files yesterday and since that,
I try to remove that noise :-/
Not a single effect in there, just starting with
the usual cleanup. It’s a shame to have that kind
of stuff in a professional recoding. Not neccesary.

Quote: Hope that helps!

It does, thanx for taking time to answer!

So long,
Burny
fourstones
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permalink   Wed, Apr 12, 2006 @ 6:24 PM
The tracks are exactly the way we got them from the band.

To my ears the noise comes from their delay unit because as soon as d-feedback dies down, so does the noise. Just a random theory.

VS