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Snowflake
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permalink   Wed, Jun 4, 2014 @ 10:00 AM
Hi everyone…..

For the past several months now, we’ve been dealing with a growing issue behind the scenes. Different companies and artists are wrongfully taking claim to your content. I’ve been issuing numerous takedown notices and working diligently to try to set things right, but the problem is becoming very big. The only way we’re going to be able to fix this is together.

I’ll keep adding examples (there are many), but here’s one today.

- The company Routenote has claimed “copyright” ownership of several ccMixter tracks on YouTube through their Content ID program, and now has Youtube issuing takedown notices to users Attributing ccMixter tracks properly in their videos.

Routenote is claiming they own Grape’s track (feat J Lang & Morusque) http://ccmixter.org/files/g... on this page http://routenote.com/r/mntp... Their version has changed title and a very small voiceover that wasn’t in the original. Routenote is now issuing takedown notices for people using any version of the track in their YouTube vids, and also collecting funds for anyone using it.

Routenote should not be taking claim to these tracks through Content ID. ArtisTech Media can’t even submit ccMixter tracks to Content ID to try to monitor Attribution and improper commercial use, because Content ID fingerprints tracks off about 6 notes. Our culture enables a multitude of song versions and YouTube’s Content ID program is very last century, unable to discern between an Admiral Bob mix or a Javolenus mix. To YouTube, they are all the same.

Basically, no company should be able to issue a ccMixter track to the YouTube Content ID.

We’ve been working with Google for almost 3 years now trying to find a better way to handle this, but we are small and easy to brush off and they are the big gorilla.

If you can help me, it will help all of us.

So, first….would you help us check out http://routenote.com/ and look for your tracks masquerading under different titles without Attribution. Please post them here and we’ll continue to work on this issue.

I’ll be posting other issues and examples here in the future. There are folks selling albums with all ccMixter content on iTunes, Amazon and more — they just change our names and song titles, upload them and start selling them.

I am a creator that fully embraces open. But this isn’t within that vision.

Your ideas and suggestions are welcome (and needed).

Thank you!
SackJo22
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permalink   Wed, Jun 4, 2014 @ 10:24 AM
Thanks Em for everything you do. This is a huge job and it is becoming increasingly problematic. I recently received an email from a youtuber who used one of my tracks and received a take down notice from Routenote claiming ownership rights to the song! (One for Me). I just checked out the Routenote website and I could not find anything listing its artists or catalog.
Admiral Bob
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permalink   Wed, Jun 4, 2014 @ 11:21 AM
A good way to be proactive about this is to search for your own names on Amazon, in iTunes, and other media and streaming providers.

The guys who keep sopping up our content tend to actually use your artist/band name. And the stuff they tend to pick up will be things you’ve done that saw a lot of views or recs, or which are in very popular genres, like Dub.

I’ve been horrified by what I’ve found that people are selling on albums. I think my “I Won’t Play” has been sold on five different albums.

I am all for sharing, but it has to be on the terms I’ve set out in the CC license I chose.
 
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permalink   Platinum Butterfly Sun, Aug 24, 2014 @ 9:38 AM
didn’t even notice that ‘I won’t play’ was misused as well, so you can see it doesn’t only affect the artist of the song but also the ones whom samples are used, but on the other hand a stronger base to proove the roots and the copyright of the songs belong here with the artists who collaborated for this
routenote
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permalink   Wed, Jun 4, 2014 @ 12:55 PM
RouteNote takes these matters very seriously. Thank you very much for bringing this to our attention. We have found the release in question and have released all claims from within the YouTube Content ID system (they will all be finalised within 24 hours).

We will investigate how this matter occured and take the appropriate steps to make sure this never happens again.

If anyone using CCMixter every has any issues relating to releases within the YouTube Content ID system, then please get in touch via our contact form and this will be resolved within 24 hours.

RouteNote is the leading digital music distributor in Europe and has over 63,000 artists worldwide from over 198 countries. Our system is 100% transparent and artists have full control and ownership.
 
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permalink   Snowflake Wed, Jun 4, 2014 @ 2:57 PM
Thank you so much guys. We really appreciate it. This is only one of several complaints we’ve had related to our content being claimed by routenote. We’ll go through our back correspondence and send those too. We love turning a negative into a positive.

Thanks again for responding.
 
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permalink   Platinum Butterfly Tue, Aug 26, 2014 @ 9:09 AM
well when we last sunday gave notion of another violation and today the violating account is still online then we are 48 hours further and nothing has happened

how about that taking things seriously, at about 6 or 7 people are violated by this direct and indirect about a hundred
Snowflake
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permalink   Thu, Jun 5, 2014 @ 9:27 AM
It would be helpful if our community would listen through the tracks being sold by the artist “Mash and Trish” on iTunes and let us know if they contain works created here at ccMixter. We’ve already issued Takedown notices for 15 tracks by this artist on Amazon, iTunes, Spotify — for containing ccMixter content and selling it, without Attribution, and most not in the spirit of the CC BY NC license. Thank you!

http://itunes.apple.com/cy/...

Here is another album that we issued takedown notices for on routenote, amazon and itunes — it is still on emusic and probably other sites. Each song is by a ccMixter artist — some they just changed the name and of course there is no Attribution.

http://www.emusic.com/album...

http://www.emusic.com/album...


http://youronlineaudios.com...

http://play.spotify.com/alb...

These are examples of the kinds of issues we’re facing. It is challenging to find these kinds of CC license violations, as they modify the song title or artist name just enough that we can’t find it in a search.

How we’ve found them is because YouTube has issued TakeDown notices for videos using ccMixter songs, based on their Content ID fingerprint. The videomaker has written us with confusion, wondering what was wrong with their Attribution and why were they getting a TakeDown notice from YouTube.

Thanks to all for your help!
WiredNewLain
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permalink   Wed, Jun 11, 2014 @ 3:18 PM
In a somewhat related issue : I’ve had two consecutive claims on a video I put on youtube that claim ownership on music because the song used in the video uses a voice part that is actually on ccmixter.

First claim was:
“Trifonic featuring Amelia June-Lies (Original Mix)”, administered by DeepMiningCorpAssoc

Which was abandoned after I contested it. This one might be legitimate as far as ownership goes, but didn’t make sense given the license granted on ccmixter, and by extension, by the band that used it to make their own song which I used.

I just saw this second claim tonight:
“Lightzoff, Trifonic-Broken (feat. Trifonic)”, administered by Paradise Entertainment Music

Which I contested tonight, giving again links to the full song I used and to the ccmixter file page.

The ccmixter file used is: http://ccmixter.org/files/t...

I am not Trifonic, so it’s not my place to fix it at the root, but as one who happens to use ccmixter music when I need a background music for a video (which I do not monetize, and always link and name the source creations), it is equally annoying to have that violation threat hanging over my head.
 
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permalink   Snowflake Thu, Jun 12, 2014 @ 8:27 AM
This is a perfect example of the issues we’re facing. Other music companies claiming ownership of tracks that are also included by the composing recording artist in whole or some part on ccM under Creative Commons license. The issue is in part a weakness in the rudimentary nature of YouTube’s Content ID system. Basically any artist that has any part of a track included for remix anywhere shouldn’t submit that song to YouTube’s content ID program, on their own or through a distributor like CD Baby, etc. — because it will trigger takedown notices for any use or any permutation of the track. It is confusing and limiting.

We’d love to organize a group effort to get Google to evolve its Content ID program to the 21st Century.

Maybe its time for a remix event along the lines of our open letters to Dear Mr Williams for Freedom to Share?

Thanks for sharing.
Platinum Butterfly
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permalink   Sun, Aug 24, 2014 @ 5:30 AM
I started it as another topic but i see it belongs here, here are the links i found someone called ‘palladium club’ is selling all my music and indirect my collaborating friends

ps found out that spinmeister’s, admiral bob, scomber, and martijn de boer’s music are used also by the same person who is taking advantage of mine and notified them,
maybe i forgot someone to mention but i mailed them all




http://www.deezer.com/artis...

http://www.emusic.com/artis...

http://routenote.com/r/twis...

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref...

https://play.spotify.com/artist/4egLbdE11GZQmcXDtSDePB

https://play.google.com/store/music/artist/Palladium_Club?id=Awhc63e3fumbwnzbn6d6zfx7kum

https://itunes.apple.com/us/artist/palladium-club/id902577936?ign-mpt=uo%3D4

kinda sick, to create non commercial music someone else is going to sell as if he created it all by him or herself

and indeed i got a claim to take down one of my own made vids for a track i created myself by routenote
 
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permalink   Martijn de Boer (NiGiD) Sun, Aug 24, 2014 @ 7:35 AM
Thank you for finding this, Platinum. I send Routenote an email. Hopefully that person gets taken down (musically, ofcourse) soon.
 
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permalink   Martijn de Boer (NiGiD) Sun, Aug 24, 2014 @ 7:49 AM
A message to the admins:
I used the Routenotet contact form (posted in this topic). However, Amazon and other sites are much harder to reach if you have no account.

Is it possible to provide a post with contact forms/email addresses for us to use?
 
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permalink   Platinum Butterfly Sun, Aug 24, 2014 @ 7:58 AM
Quote: Martijn de Boer (NiGiD)A message to the admins:
I used the Routenet contact form (posted in this topic). However, Amazon and other sites are much harder to reach if you have no account.

Is it possible to provide a post with contact forms/email addresses for us to use?


yes, i’m completely with that, spent about 3 hours yesterday only for contacting amazon about this matter
 
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permalink   Martijn de Boer (NiGiD) Sun, Aug 24, 2014 @ 8:17 AM
I was able to get the direct email address and phone number from one of the employees of Amazon.com in live chat. Here it is, hopefully it’s useful:

Amazon.com Legal Department
P.O. Box 81226
Seattle, WA 98108
phone: (206) 266-4064
fax: (206) 266-7010
e-mail: copyright@amazon.com

Here are some other email adresses (hopefully I will find more):

Deezer - http://support.deezer.com/c...

emusic - emusichelps@emusic.com

iTunes - http://www.apple.com/legal/...
and they request a copy to email iTunesStoreNotices@apple.com
 
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permalink   Platinum Butterfly Sun, Aug 24, 2014 @ 8:30 AM
thanks martijn!
 
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permalink   Snowflake Sun, Aug 24, 2014 @ 2:07 PM
in the future, whenever you find a situation like email me or the admin group, and we can issue the takedowns. we’ve had a lot of experience in this lately (sadly) and can take care of it if you want some help.
 
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permalink   Martijn de Boer (NiGiD) Mon, Aug 25, 2014 @ 6:46 AM
Would you rather have us email you instead of taking action ourselves?
 
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permalink   Snowflake Mon, Aug 25, 2014 @ 8:31 AM
Sharing the responsibility is appreciated, so you taking action is great. But if you can cc me or forward to me it will also help. But I’m happy to assist if someone needs it.
 
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permalink   Martijn de Boer (NiGiD) Mon, Aug 25, 2014 @ 8:40 AM
Sure, no problem. Thanks!
 
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permalink   Martijn de Boer (NiGiD) Mon, Aug 25, 2014 @ 8:55 AM
I’m getting quite fed up with this. The person that is offering music under the name ‘Lord de Boer’, is also doing it on Google Play:
http://play.google.com/stor...

The same person is offering music from other ccMixters. Strange thing: if I search ‘Lord de Boer’ with Google, amazon, emusic etc come up, but not Google Play.

I have not contacted Google Play. So if you would give it a try, it would be much appreciated.

Really nasty how these big players hide their contact forms/email adresses. They should be more transparent and easier to approach. To me it is the world turned around: wé have to take action on other people ripping us off. Bah.
 
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permalink   Platinum Butterfly Mon, Aug 25, 2014 @ 9:02 AM
this is a quote from the email i received yesterday from steven, ceo at routenote
‘Thanks for the email. We have already found this and will be taking down all tracks from stores and closing account of the user.

Thanks a lot for letting us know!’

routenote probably provided all those other sites with the music i guess but maybe Emily does know more about this.
 
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permalink   Platinum Butterfly Mon, Aug 25, 2014 @ 9:04 AM
and yup they are on itunes and google music as well
 
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permalink   Martijn de Boer (NiGiD) Mon, Aug 25, 2014 @ 9:06 AM
Maybe it’s just us. And maybe we are just plain crazy to be offering music for free online. A disaster waiting to happen :/
 
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permalink   Platinum Butterfly Mon, Aug 25, 2014 @ 9:14 AM
well if the EchoNest fingerprint will be on ccmixter tracks then it will be a lot easyer to track down music wich people use without our permission

hope that will work out for us
 
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permalink   Martijn de Boer (NiGiD) Mon, Aug 25, 2014 @ 9:18 AM
Yes, that would be great. Thanks for cheering me up LOL ;)
 
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permalink   Snowflake Mon, Aug 25, 2014 @ 9:43 AM
I’ve been emailing with them this morning. So we’ll see! Hopefully they won’t charge us ;)
 
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permalink   Snowflake Mon, Aug 25, 2014 @ 9:46 AM
yes, RouteNote distributed the music to ALL retail locations. IMHO, they are not honoring their fiduciary duty to make sure artists are uploading music that they have rights to. they are just trying to get as many tracks signed up that they can collect money on as possible. i’m trying to be patient with them, however, and see if we can try to get them to be a little more responsible (could cause them legal issues in the future).
 
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permalink   Martijn de Boer (NiGiD) Tue, Aug 26, 2014 @ 8:17 AM
Things are getting ridiculous. Today I recieved this email from Routenote:

Hello,

In order to remove this release I need to receive an email from twistmusic10@gmail.com or receive a ticket from the account twistmusic10,

Thanks,
Alex


So… Routenote wants us to contact the offender in order to take down the content. Make him or her admit they stole ccMixter content and confess to Routenote. Right.
 
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permalink   Platinum Butterfly Tue, Aug 26, 2014 @ 8:41 AM
this is completely insane, we are working on this for two days and even received messages from their CEO and now some arrogant jerk is telling us in fact to shut up and let this guy maintain his stealing busyness
 
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permalink   Martijn de Boer (NiGiD) Tue, Aug 26, 2014 @ 10:28 AM
I’m happy to report that the tracks by ’Lord de Boer’ are taken down from emusic. That took only 2 days.
 
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permalink   Martijn de Boer (NiGiD) Tue, Aug 26, 2014 @ 4:57 PM
To counter this good news, I now found the same albums on iTunes:
http://itunes.apple.com/us/...

I added the webform to contact Apple about copyright violations in my post above.
 
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permalink   Snowflake Tue, Aug 26, 2014 @ 5:16 PM
Once we issue the takedown to Routenote, they should actually takedown at ALL of the sites where they have distributed. ITunes, Amazon, eMusic, Spotify, YouTube, GooglePlay, etc. It may take a few days, but technically, we shouldn’t have to also issue takedowns at each retail location, only Routenote. Some sites take longer than others to takedown. It will usually be faster, however, if the takedown comes directly from Routenote. Thanks for patience and help with this everyone.
 
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permalink   Martijn de Boer (NiGiD) Tue, Aug 26, 2014 @ 5:20 PM
Got it. Thanks Snow!
 
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permalink   Martijn de Boer (NiGiD) Wed, Aug 27, 2014 @ 8:08 AM
I believe Routenote finally took down all the tracks from user twistmusic10. I was in the middle of listing albums, when suddenly the page was gone.

However, it can take up to 30 days to remove the content.

Hopefully the albums will be removed from the other digital music providers too.
 
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permalink   Platinum Butterfly Wed, Aug 27, 2014 @ 8:22 AM
yup it’s down :)

hopefully the rest will be removed from stores soon
 
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permalink   Martijn de Boer (NiGiD) Wed, Aug 27, 2014 @ 8:39 AM
It was quite A Sentimental Journey ;)
 
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permalink   Snowflake Wed, Aug 27, 2014 @ 9:12 AM
Thanks to all of you for helping with this. I think we should try to help monitor RouteNote for things like this in the future. This is the third time we’ve caught them so far in the past 2 months. Not a good sign :(
 
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permalink   Platinum Butterfly Wed, Aug 27, 2014 @ 9:30 AM
The way i discovered this was a routenote claim on a youtube video i made, a lot of artists don’t follow the forums, maybe it would be a good idea to send a post to all artists about those claims, cause when people get them there a probably files on routenote violating their interests
Platinum Butterfly
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permalink   Sun, Aug 24, 2014 @ 9:52 AM
got one youtube video takedown message again, this time for my version of ‘dream of flight’
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peCSmqUui_g
from queenie, the pella i used for the track wich was my first ever to publish on this site was http://ccmixter.org/files/q...
now on youtube it looks like Kimberly Steele is the same as queenie and for sofar i can go with that, but CDbaby is claiming i am violating her rights. Stranger it is when you read the review comment she gave on my track herself.
“This is such a classic trance treatment!! Perfect and I love it, especially in Andy’s video where people are driving on the left hand side!”

gives the impression she once gave people permission to use the pella on ccmixter and now while the pella is still available it is all of a sudden a violation of copyright

getting a bit dizzy about these claims
 
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permalink   Snowflake Sun, Aug 24, 2014 @ 2:04 PM
There aren’t any companies I know (CD Baby, Routenote, etc.) that are capable of properly representing CC licensed tracks. They take “claim” to all versions. Basically, artists should not sign up for CD Baby, Routenote, Rumblefish, YouTube’s Content ID program, etc. if they have put tracks under CC license or shared them on ccMixter. So I hope ccMixter artists will read this and not do so!

I’ve had several email conversations with Steve at Routenote the past few days about this. They do not do due diligence on their tracks and just assume people submitting them are not violating copyright or impersonating other artists. This seems a bit reckless to me.

One solution we’re working on — having EchoNest fingerprint the ccMixter catalog so distributors will be able to screen for artists that are inappropriately submitting tracks that contain ccMixter content.

Let’s keep this conversation going and work on a solution together.

More soon.
 
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permalink   Platinum Butterfly Mon, Aug 25, 2014 @ 9:17 AM
Indeed when they take everyone for being honest with uploads then their whole system fails on that. I doubt if that is legal anyway…
 
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permalink   Snowflake Mon, Aug 25, 2014 @ 9:46 AM
you’re correct. this will become a problem for them soon.
 
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permalink   Platinum Butterfly Wed, Sep 3, 2014 @ 7:16 AM
I’m happy to inform that when i looked into it today, exept one all the sites already have taken down my music :)
Shelflife
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permalink   Mon, Aug 25, 2014 @ 11:44 PM
Platinum Butterfly contacted me re this and true enough my work is appearing on Routenote under names that the perpetrator has taken from my song titles and also used these for his album titles. It’s a wonder the bastard didn’t contact me to provide the artwork he’s using on the Cd as well!!!

I’m also appearing on ITunes under the same names.

I’m not sure whether to be happy or sad about this but it appears no ones buying my music anyway :O)
 
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permalink   Platinum Butterfly Tue, Aug 26, 2014 @ 6:38 AM
We received an email from the ceo of routenote.com yesterday the account of twistmusic will be closed and all the songs will be withdrawn from the stores, although it is still online today, let’s give it some days
 
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permalink   Snowflake Tue, Aug 26, 2014 @ 8:09 AM
Yes, me too. It takes a few days to get everything pulled but at least they are taking care of it.
 
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permalink   Martijn de Boer (NiGiD) Tue, Aug 26, 2014 @ 8:21 AM
See my post above about the email from Routenote. They want emails from violators now, and us to contact them ourselves.
 
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permalink   Platinum Butterfly Wed, Aug 27, 2014 @ 7:50 AM
i am beginning to think that it would be a great idea to inform some journalists about this to make it more public so routenote cant keep this under the radar
 
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permalink   Snowflake Sun, Sep 21, 2014 @ 12:30 PM
We want to help make education about this issue part of our upcoming fundraiser.
Beluga Ten
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permalink   Sat, Sep 20, 2014 @ 3:46 PM
Looks like a label called “Internet Hit Collection” are selling albums on iTunes containing lots of ccMixter content. Although they give the artist name, there’s no proper licencing attribution, and they appear to be claiming copyright in the overall work.

At least one of my tracks on there has an SA licence.

Examples:
https://itunes.apple.com/us...
https://itunes.apple.com/us...
https://itunes.apple.com/us...
https://itunes.apple.com/us...

…and possibly others too. Let me know if I can help with this.
 
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permalink   Snowflake Sun, Sep 21, 2014 @ 12:29 PM
Will get to work on the TakeDown Notices. Thank you for letting us know.
 
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permalink   Snowflake Sun, Sep 21, 2014 @ 12:42 PM
Just submitted the notices. Will keep you posted.
 
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permalink   Beluga Ten Tue, Sep 23, 2014 @ 9:48 AM
Thanks. It’s great that we can have a co-ordinated approach to this problem, and I appreciate the time and effort that goes into it.
 
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permalink   Beluga Ten Fri, Nov 7, 2014 @ 3:49 PM
I don’t suppose Apple have replied yet, have they? Seems that they’ve taken down most of the albums now, but this one still remains:
https://itunes.apple.com/gb...

And there’s another one I’ve just found below:
https://itunes.apple.com/gb...

Thanks again.
 
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permalink   Snowflake Fri, Nov 7, 2014 @ 4:05 PM
I just issued another TakeDown Notice. That is three so far today! See why we need help ;)
Pilchardus
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permalink   Mon, Nov 17, 2014 @ 10:31 AM
Hi there,

I’ve been using some of your CC BY 3.0 music on YouTube videos but have just been hit with claims by a company called “The Orchard Music”. The recordings used are: “the New Music Mantra (Snowflake’s revox)” http://ccmixter.org/files/s... which they call “ccMixter-The New Music (Snowflake Remix, Alex Beroza Mix)” and “Harmony” http://ccmixter.org/files/a... for which they also have a name that is similar but not exactly the same.
 
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permalink   Snowflake Mon, Nov 17, 2014 @ 10:30 PM
This is a mistake by The Orchard. I’ve written them to set it right. If you need a response to YouTube hit me up via email.
 
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permalink   Pilchardus Tue, Nov 18, 2014 @ 11:19 AM
Thanks snowflake!

I appreciate the help :)
When I disputed the claims they were upheld so I used YouTube’s editor to remove the tracks. That got rid of the ads and iTunes link ;)
There is an option to reinstate them, but that will probably trigger the Content ID process again, which isn’t desirable in this case as appealing a rejected dispute can result in an account strike.
 
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permalink   Snowflake Tue, Nov 18, 2014 @ 11:36 AM
I just heard back from the orchard and they apologized and in the process of fixing it. You should be able to reinstate in a day or two without issue. Thanks for letting us know about this.
Loveshadow
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permalink   Wed, Jan 21, 2015 @ 3:26 PM
Some Loser called Dave Bentley Production seems to think we are all signed to him . This compilation album of CC Material is on sale at several locations including emusic. Emusic have ignored my request for a take down off their site saying I need to contact the producer (by that they mean AKA known as theif ).

http://www.last.fm/music/La...
http://artistxite.com/label...
 
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permalink   spinmeister Wed, Jan 21, 2015 @ 9:37 PM
 
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permalink   Snowflake Wed, Jan 21, 2015 @ 10:10 PM
Issued two Takedowns today. Looks like more to do tomorrow.
 
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permalink   Loveshadow Thu, Jan 22, 2015 @ 4:47 AM
Thank you Snowflake its a shame you have to spend time doing this. It’s truly sad that talentless individuals still believe they can profit from the time and skill that people invest here inside this community to make music freely available, via CC Mixter, for so many people to freely enjoy. If anything it is a testament to the quality of what is on offer on this site in that some misguided individual would think its worth stealing in the first place.
Péter Uherkovich
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permalink   Tue, Mar 3, 2015 @ 1:16 PM
Hi, everyone.
I make short movies about railroads.
Often i use music from ccmixter for the background. I publish my videos at youtube.

for example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoG08OUD1R0

Today i got a repeated claim on spinmeister’s “Dream of Flight” by CD Baby.

http://ccmixter.org/files/spinmeister/18931

I appealed, but the appel was refused and the claim was restored.

What can i do now? I’m threatened to close my account if i repeat my appeal.
Why is this CC license invalid at youtube?

Thanks (uhi)
 
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permalink   Snowflake Wed, Mar 4, 2015 @ 8:33 AM
Feel free to email me and I’ll try to help.
 
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permalink   Péter Uherkovich Wed, Mar 4, 2015 @ 2:50 PM
thx, email sent
Platinum Butterfly
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permalink   Tue, Mar 24, 2015 @ 10:54 AM
Hi Emily,

Here is another album wich might have beside me others from ccmixter on it
guess they are on other sites too

https://pro.beatport.com/release/dubstep-mix/1477538

greetz Frank
 
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permalink   Snowflake Tue, Mar 24, 2015 @ 12:12 PM
Thanks Frank. We’ll get on this.