I’m doing the best I can here Bob…

Is this a question about how much I make?

Because it really, really is “1 box plus Victor plus volunteers.” At this point I work out of my house on my own computers, ‘Net connection, phones and bathroom with next to no contact with CC (sounds stark but I think you get the idea).

I’m so sorry this isn’t satisfying for you but I’m not sure what more information I can tell you that would be useful. Perhaps another walk through of the different roles involved in running a non-profit media-based community web site?

VS

Thanks, Victor. I know you and everyone at CC are doing the best they can.

It’s not the web cost of running the site or your compensation that interested me, but the allocated portion of the remaining overhead—accounting,fund-raising, marketing, what have you.

It may be that CC maintains the “core” records without attributing to CCmixter the portion of its “load” that is CCmixter-pertinent.

It’s definitely true that a bidder’s “load” to operate CCmixter would be different than the load CC pays now.

I could line item the model pretty well for a non-profit from scratch,
but thought it useful to see how CC line-items all the costs to run the mixter. I thought this would be a useful set of assumptions to revamp for a model.

My mental impression is that those costs exceed web costs/cpu costs/VS compensation. The other costs as incurred was what I was seeking. Everyone has a different experience, but in my experience this is a commonly-sought thing in an acquisition. Still, I do not want to sound contentious on this point. I am merely reciting my own experience, when as the expression goes “mileage may vary”.

I don’t want to create some sense of controversy. These matters of what to disclose and what to seek are things that everyone assesses as best they can. I think I understand the point you are making. I hope I communicated my own point well. I am grateful to you and CC for the work you all do, and understand that you’re doing the best you can.

I don’t see anything controversial here at all, we’re all just doing our best to understand and get as much information out there as possible.

Quote: My mental impression is that those costs exceed web costs/cpu costs/VS compensation. The other costs as incurred was what I was seeking

This is, of course, totally logical and reasonable and I know that two years ago you would have gotten a completely different answer because as late as the DJ Vadim “Kill” contest, CC staff was actively involved in putting contests together. At that time you would have gotten line item costs for web design, legal and coordinating with 3rd parties (for which my wife was contracted to help out with).

But as I said in my “ what I do here” post and as Mike acknowledges above, since then, 100% of that has been eliminated or absorbed by me and volunteers.

Are we still being transparent? (I’m very serious about that, we only want to do what’s right…)

VS

Thanks, Victor. A very transparent reply. In an earlier part of the thread, you mentioned:
“current cost to CC does not translate to what ccM would cost somebody because the CC infrastructure of lawyers, accountants, tech staff, etc. would all need to replicated”. I had the same thought, and it was hunting any current such non-VS, non-server expenses I was after. I think you may have clarified it for me.

To reiterate to make sure I understand, the current situation is that all the legal, accounting, and other mixter-related non-VS, non-server expenses are now rendered without cost to CC?

Because CCmixter doesn’t get into legal entanglements (and CC is the corporate shell paying for the corporate maintenance) or extensive accounting matters, I can see how that could be. My assumption is that CC as a whole has an expense for all these things, of which a portion might be allocated by cost-center among its sections, such as the mixter.

Granted, such artificial cost-centering would only tell one a little about what the cost to replicate those services might be, but that’s the historical data I originally hunted.

In some ways, perhaps ccmixter is not only more complicated than I realize but also simpler than I realize.

Sure, with the only nit caveat being that when I say “no contact with CC” and you say “without cost to CC” we are really saying “approaching zero.”

But yes, it really, honest, is that pared down in the current configuration in terms of cost to CC. For example, I don’t think we’ve gotten a single DCMA take-down request this whole time because volunteers like teru are already watching the site and our flagging system (which as I recall, you are not shy in using ;)) has pre-empted any need to involve legal.

Quote: also simpler than I realize

Not knowing anything about it, it might not be too far off from your net-label operation - only different ;)

VS

now, can I go fix the double-click on ‘search’ bug?? ;)

Yes! :)

Quote: fourstonesnow, can I go fix the double-click on ‘search’ bug?? ;)